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Title: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on July 11, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
Firstly let me start by saying a massive thank you to Micky London for the build DVD and advice. Also his cracking build diary....mine will not be as good as his.

I purchased the car for 1000 of the queens finest pounds from someone who had left it to rot under a tree.
(https://i.imgur.com/R0cmdSr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EmmHjKY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lpzfAiR.jpg)

i started by cleaning it out and seeing what i have and haven't got.
there are a few bits missing:
Boot lid perspex
Passenger side fibreglass A pillar bit
Fibreglass bit to cover the boot latch/box section

The story behind it is the guy i got it from purchased the body kit in 2009 and stored it....badly by the shape of some of the panels.
He got a 406 in 2013 and got Extreme themselves to do the cutting and most of the welding. the car then was stored in a garage til 2016 and then parked under a tree until 3 weeks ago when i purchased it. No work was ever done to the car  :o :o

The interior of the car is beyond saving and it has has the 2.0 petrol engine fitted, so I've purchased a mint 406 with a low milage 3.0 engine to use as a donor, I need a windscreen and trims too so it made sense to get the donor

I've purchased a set of 19" wheels and an original Ferrari 360 exhaust to sling on it.

most of the welding and bashing that needed doing has been done by me and I've dry fitted all of the panels now
 (https://i.imgur.com/rx21ax3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wS56OUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q7YwbIJ.jpg)

If anyone has any parts that they want to sell please let me know, especially if it's lights!

i'll try and take photo's and updatye now and again
 :) :)


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Mickey_London on July 11, 2018, 10:54:58 PM
Looking forward to the updates  ;)
Mick


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 360brian on July 16, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
I've a complete tailgate/engine lid, incl glass if you're interested. Have since fitted a genuine F360 Modea rear lid. send me a PM.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on July 17, 2018, 06:39:16 PM
I've a complete tailgate/engine lid, incl glass if you're interested. Have since fitted a genuine F360 Modea rear lid. send me a PM.
Pm'd you my number
thank you


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on July 17, 2018, 06:44:54 PM
i've been busy!
the 2.0 engine is out
(https://i.imgur.com/pDHKR6U.jpg)
The exhaust is fitted
(https://i.imgur.com/WeT3KZ7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qga7ngu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0cBMt6n.jpg)
i've moved the car over to give me some room and i've tidied up a little.

forgive my welding skills, or lack of, but part of this project is to learn how to weld well amongst learning other stuff

i'm really enjoying it so far  ;D


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: DB5F360 on July 18, 2018, 11:32:51 AM
Looking gud and a lot of work done so far well done


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on July 25, 2018, 04:02:58 PM
a quick update as i've been very busy with work and lazy with this heat we're having   :o

I've cut loads of the back out to get the exhaust in so i've put a subframe in to the back
(https://i.imgur.com/QJrko4p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iaPtGda.jpg)

this will be clad in steel all nice and tight

I've also got the rear rubber holders on for the Mondeo rubbers, and fitted said rubber
(https://i.imgur.com/fpxKRQA.jpg)

i need to get the top bit done near the hinges now and that will be that  ;D


can anyone tell me what side light and indicator to use for the headlights, and where to get them from, please. I'm planning on making my front end in one so would like to get these done and in.
Does anyone have any of the lights for sale?


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: ferrari360jd on August 08, 2018, 08:45:23 AM
Hi mate here is a link to the corect indicator and side  lights they are available on eBay ,I can not find the exact side light ones I used but here is a link to something close I just used the clear lense part then glued a side light bulb holder on the back of this , hope that makes sense lol , here are a few pics , cheers jd


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: ferrari360jd on August 08, 2018, 08:49:11 AM
This is the closest side light I could find for you  but it is a led one ,  I just used the clear lense part pushed through the light from behind , then glued a bulb holder on the back of it , hope this helps you cheers jd


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on August 08, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
much appreiciated JD
I've bought the indicators and sidde lights, and also the indicator side repeaters now.
the only thing i haven;t bought is the spot lights, although i do have some 90mm ones.
i've replied to your PM.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on August 08, 2018, 08:27:52 PM
Foir those who are following this, after a good conversation with Kev from Extreme , i've decide to scrap this car and try and rescue as many of the metal add ons as posssible to put onto the mint car.
i'm sure some have thought this already, but i'm the kind of person that gets very blinkered.
I've already cut the car up and got the rear subframe in, i haven't taken photo's as i#ve done this after work and my phone has been dead.
i'll post some pictures at the weekend.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on August 17, 2018, 08:05:32 PM
i thought i'd sling an update up.
i've been hard at it when i can and cut all the unwanted bits off, dry fitted the rear, fitted the exhaust, and bought several parts.
here are a few pictures of where i am so far.

(https://i.imgur.com/3UjYSA8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6peRpsI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EThcAgA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aGTUpft.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hJqprST.jpg)


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on August 17, 2018, 08:07:47 PM
i intend to be at the workshop tomorrow, so i'll take some more pictures of what i do then.
 ;D


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 23, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
its been a while, but the lack of activity, replies and it feels like i'm wasting my time. (please don't mention facebook....i really have no desire to join that)
i have met some awesome people through this website though.
it may help someone one day so here we go.
I've done a lot of the under the panels bits:
suspension and arms changed (supplied by Kev)
wheel spacers made
cables rerouted
wires extended
sills cut and welded **
panels dry fitted several times
all panels sprayed black inside
rear bulkhead made and bits to stop water ingress
everywhere Shutz'd
all metal add ons fitted
extra metal here and there for a b it more strength/bits to adhere to. (part nicked from dads360's idea)
Ferrari type dials and fascia (thanks Kev :) )


**whatever you think you need to remove....it will be more. the whole lot needs cutting back frrom the end of the fibreglass sill, and then the footwell will need smashing in with a large hammer.

a few pictures.
Apologies for the shite quality, i've broke the glass on the camera

(https://i.imgur.com/zBJqAUA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NHEdQRv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Egni5af.jpg)
ive bolted rather than welded these bits on incase i need to get the engine out later
(https://i.imgur.com/uE9Jhdq.jpg)
hmmmm.....shiny
(https://i.imgur.com/qTpLLQI.jpg)
again....shiny
(https://i.imgur.com/ptALdw9.jpg)
i love pu adhesive

There you go. I'd love to see a bit more activity on this site.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: CdRsKuLL on November 23, 2018, 07:15:42 PM
Hey fella, looking good. Have you got all your bits now?  People do read the posts and I'm sure they would love to see more.  It's also handy as sometimes fellow builders spot things that you might have missed or not thought about.  I see you went for the original rear glass :-)

Have you got a date to finish her for or is it like me.. this decade sometime'ish ?

Please keep posting :-)

Steve


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 23, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
Hi Steve.
I've no date in mind as I just want to enjoy building it without any pressure.
The rear is a flat laminated sheet as bought from Brian355, at this juncture if the build I can make everything fit and match.
I'm really enjoying the build .
I'll keep posting as things happen :)


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: dangerrous on November 24, 2018, 08:51:09 AM
The activity for this and the DNA site has withered due to the companies not producing kits any more, we are not duty bound to comment on every post you make, people find builds interesting (as I do) and like to read up, to get a real feel for how much interest is in your build take a look at your view count.
My build has a lot of hours vested into it, when I post I don't expect a comment,
You may find that one post gets loads of following posts or questions that you just didn't expect. Take a look at JD's activity, he's probably finished more extremes than extreme did, he's view count is immense yet the replies to his posts were mainly the people he was doing the work for.
D


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 24, 2018, 11:40:15 AM
Dangerous, i don't expect a comment on every post, or people to be duty bound (What the actual fuck is that comment about??) yet you feel the need to post what reads as a snotty, pompous comment.
I wish there was more activity, in the way Mickey London and Alex360 had, whereby it spurs you on to post and get ideas and others opinions if you are doing something wrong or there is an easier way.....you know, advice.
As i've commented before, I know i've missed the boat on the popularity of these cars, but there are still many out there unfinished.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on November 24, 2018, 12:11:53 PM
Don't stress guys just build ;) 


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on November 24, 2018, 12:18:48 PM
And as far as extream go yeah they built a good kit can't fault.  But that's about it I would not use any other bits from them . In fact I wouldn't pay that kev a bean . I payed him for some bits . When I picked my kit up . Oh look no bits just 400 down . Hope to see him at a show 1 day..


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Mickey_London on November 25, 2018, 09:50:48 AM
Hi John
Keep the updates coming Matey. She is coming along nicely.
We all enjoy and read them
I need my eXtreme fix  ;)
Mick


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 26, 2018, 08:58:58 PM
ok, i have been tackling the Audi A3 window conversion. initial thoughts are, this is a lot easier than expected.
To anybody reading this thinking of building a car, FIT THE WINDOWS BEFORE BONDING ANY PANELS!!
I'm going to mention at this point that when doing the cutting of the 406, i forgot to do the relief cuts at the bottom of the A pillar, turns out, this was the best thing that could have happended.
I've cut all of the Audi frame to this very helpful website  http://www.kitcarz.co.uk/?p=66 and a bit more. I'll post pictures of that in another reply.
I've cut the back of the 406 door off and slipped the frame in, this is a picture of the glass with nothing been done to any of the roof or anything, the frame and glass are just resting in:
(https://i.imgur.com/ixZ0uF3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mostYtG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TrfqC5K.jpg)
it is almost there!
I'll take some better pictures of the windows and what i've done as the lovely wife has bought me a new phone.
It is quite easy to tackle this project with no panels bonded, especially the door as you need to cut the skin of the door and let the audi frame protrude into the fibreglass void. Also, you could manipulate any metal bits to be where you want them to be to fit perfect.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Extreme Sportscars on November 26, 2018, 09:06:39 PM
Hi Chris (4u2nv), as regards to your parts you ordered. You initially  paid for the fake brake kit but after a later discussion on the phone i advised you, you would need the "real" big brakes instead of fake ones because of the engine transplant you where now doing. We agreed that the £400 would go towards a rear light kit. This was more expensive and we couldnt order them in until the outstanding balance was paid which was requested but was never received. After some time waiting for payment  you informed me you had now purchased your lights from somewhere else.
As everyone is aware this was at a time when we had just been dragged through the courts and extreme had been shut down so i was dealing with alot of things and everything was a huge mess. I did my upmost to supply all the parts and kits including your 430 kit that extreme had been paid for which we did. Unfortunatly after not hearing from you for some years this had fallen through the net and forgot about until you put a  post up. This should have been refunded back then so i do appologise for that. Send me a pm with your bank details and il get that refunded to you.
Sorry John for hijacking your build diary.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on November 27, 2018, 02:30:03 PM
That would be perfect . And as stated i can not nor would i fault the KIT. I appreciate this response from you . 
Regards
Chris


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 27, 2018, 07:33:55 PM
I'm glad you gents have sorted things out.

Right windows.....
I've had a fiddle this evening for a few hours and virtually got one of the doors done.
There's an awful lot of bits to do, but it's all really enjoyable  :)

I've modified (bent and cut bits off) the door lock as it is really tight in there.
(https://i.imgur.com/wIqYEa9.jpg)

cut more bits out of the door handle as again, its very tight
i've also made a swanky bit of pull wire for the door handle
(https://i.imgur.com/8NKqqZG.jpg)

i made a bit of a runner too and the bit of angle on the left fixes to the Audi frame
(https://i.imgur.com/FVafP8a.jpg)

frame bolted in and glass fitted
(https://i.imgur.com/SCIurbx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9h7SScT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b4nUpfR.jpg?1)

That's a lot of door i've cut away  :o
(https://i.imgur.com/bQNpDUt.jpg)

door skin fitted back on and door closed....hammer at the ready
(https://i.imgur.com/BywdXMB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r1gaxIs.jpg)

i pulled part of the rubber down at the top just to make it fit right, i'm sure this is what has been done by others.
with a bit of titivating, welding and pu adhesive, i belive this will be lovely

When i bond the rear quarters on, i shall trim back the added metal that holds the rubber  and i think this will make the glass fit even better as in the middle, where the two bits of added metal are welded together, the glass is hitting this part first so compresing the rubber more than anywhere else.
it'll probably be the weekend til i can play with the other side.  :'(


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Sparx01 on November 27, 2018, 09:22:54 PM
Nice one John,

keep the updates coming, we all like to see good progress.

Tone


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 27, 2018, 10:32:37 PM
Cheers Tone.
How's life with your finished one?
Have you been driving it much?


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Sparx01 on November 27, 2018, 10:52:04 PM
No, she is now in hiding until spring.

I still have to sort the fake engine so admirers don't see an open space. lol

I want to re-upholster the seats and possibly the dash. Also I still have to order a replacement roof liner, mine was missing from the kit.

Tone


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on November 28, 2018, 01:43:03 PM
tone ive left 1 done at JDs maybe you could ask lee ? if it hasnt been binned off.

Nice work John epic stuff mate , wont be long at this rate before shes in the paint shop , keep the updates coming .


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Mickey_London on November 28, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Good work on the doors Matey
Keep the updates coming

Mick


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Sparx01 on November 28, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
Cheers Chris,

The main thing is the plenums, I can build everything else from the different car parts.

Tone


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 28, 2018, 06:31:57 PM
just a thought here, but does anyone know if there is a reason the Audi window regulator can't be used?
both Audi and Pug items are 8 pin and thought it would be easier to rewire than do the plate and bush thing.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on November 29, 2018, 10:38:51 AM
is it not because the window has to slightly rise once door is shut ?


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on November 29, 2018, 02:22:48 PM
is it not because the window has to slightly rise once door is shut ?
This would be done via an ecu or the vehicles programming, the motor itself is just 12v one way and 12v the other to make it go up and down, so wouldn't matter what is on the end of the wires, so long as it was wired correctly. I'm not sure why there is 8 pins on each, but sure the'd be for similar things on both cars, as the motor units are actually the same make. (i could be completely wrong though)
speaking of which, has anyone got a pinout of the 8 pin connectors, or wiring diagrams of the Pug and the Audi? I'm struggling to find them online.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 06, 2018, 07:06:43 PM
right, here we go, Audi a3 window mod part deux
I've got them fitting perfect, and i mean perfect without much modifying to the roof......I feel the need to point out that there is no 'modifying' to the roof. When i have read this in other places, the way my brain works (i'm a black or white kinda guy) modifying means serious work, its not, you twat the bits of metal that hold the door rubber trim backwards or forwards to match the shape of the glass. i've also cut the extreme metal plate that meets at the top corner with the roof and bent it forward to the same line as the pug roof bit that holds the door rubber, so the door seal flows around better, it also helps with thew shape of the glass. i've also packed this part of the rubber down to meet the glass, i used 20mm plastic packers diminishing down from 5mm to 1mm in 40mm steps, this brought the rubber down to the exact shape of the glass.
With the frame, i've fixed it in each corner to hold it in place and the bolts are accessable incase it needs to come out to replace a broken window or anything, the back of the pug door will need to be cut again, but at least it's not impossible.
now the motor swap....with pictures!
There is plenty on here and other places about taking the 2 motors apart and whats need, so i won't mention that too much.
Thanks to dads360 for explaining it on his thread to me, and this is how i interpreted it.

esential kit, please note the long m8 bolt
(https://i.imgur.com/w0kl85b.jpg)

cut the audi spline off here
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkxyroZ.jpg)

i put the pug cog in a vice, small cog down
(https://i.imgur.com/fBHYLWz.jpg)

Then cut the big cog off leaving a square, i also put a few little slits in
(https://i.imgur.com/flhr382.jpg)

get one of these
(https://i.imgur.com/KSUlWQ8.jpg)

and heat the bastard up to red hot
(https://i.imgur.com/S8G2UN7.jpg)

put the m8 bolt through, grab the end of bolt and trap head of bolt in vice, be quick as the bolt gets hot. Don't heat the bolt up as the plastic will melt and your plastic bit will end up wonky......no one likes a wonky bit
wear a mask or cover your nose as the burning, melting plastic stinks and burns the top of your nose when breathed in...i know this now from experience
(https://i.imgur.com/KgSrZQa.jpg)

shove the cut off spline bit of plastic from the a3 motor on and push down with a 12mm spanner to meet the remaining cog
(https://i.imgur.com/oooHTfk.jpg)

knock the bolt out
(https://i.imgur.com/pDcwNCi.jpg)

and put the remaining cog bit back into the pug cog shaped bit on the motor
(https://i.imgur.com/PMokOuJ.jpg)

make an adapter plate to bolt onto the audi bolts (i made a template from paper) and cut the 3 audi inserts off the motor so as to leave 12mm sticking out to fix the plate to. please ignore the holes for the pug motor, i changed my mind due to resticted access
(https://i.imgur.com/oAlAYcc.jpg)

drill 3 of the 4 mounting holes through on the pug motor, put the new added spline into the audi splne hole, drill through the mounting holes, tap the plate and hey presto...its fitted
(https://i.imgur.com/6MxYXJC.jpg)



Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 4u2nv on December 06, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Wow . Looks like you've smashed it mate . Well done great work .

And all working fine with doors shut ??


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 06, 2018, 09:02:40 PM
Everything works perfectly. The glass sits behind the rubber bit and seal correctly, when the door glass goes down on door opening (10mm) it comes out of the rubber and clears on opening. It couldn't be better for a Peugeot cut down to be a Ferrari rep using Audi glass  :D
I'm very pleased  ;D


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: Mickey_London on December 06, 2018, 09:31:26 PM
Great write up John
I am sure it will help out others on this subject
Watch the price of Audi windows rocket now haha
Mick


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 06, 2018, 09:49:34 PM
I might start stockpiling them  ;D


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: dman1409 on December 08, 2018, 02:00:40 AM
did you use the audi spline?? i remember JD had them custom made... great skill there mate!


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 08, 2018, 07:29:32 AM
Yes, used the audi spline and melted it on to the Peugeot motor sprocket.
The only thing to make is the plate to fix to.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: 360brian on December 09, 2018, 08:26:33 PM
Impressive, also delighted to see its possible to achieve wthout roof mods.
Wonder if its possible without having to take the GRP door skin off.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 09, 2018, 10:59:21 PM
In all honesty, I'd say yes, but it'd be a faff and difficult, but far from impossible.


Title: Re: zxrjohn14 360 build
Post by: zxrjohn14 on December 10, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
A few more updates

Insulated the inside of the door, and prepped the top ready to spray black
(https://i.imgur.com/jsJXOQp.jpg)

Finished the clocks off
(https://i.imgur.com/HEur5Wt.jpg)


Shutzed everything!
(https://i.imgur.com/WLacSbb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IGMY5HM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Cgi8Osg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Dta6NZ3.jpg)

And insulated the rear bit
(https://i.imgur.com/mNaeVYy.jpg)